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Nov. 21st, 2012 06:44 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
dmxratedGrandpa showed me this newspaper cover yesterday, showing an aerial view of just how destructive Hurricane Sandy had really been a month ago, something that I've already been aware of. He, Uncle Robby, and Cousin Adam were lucky to have only lost electricity, given their location well above sea level, and to have a generator that could power up two rooms. Everyone was talking about the situation later on. This small amusement park that we kids, Mom, Robby, and Adam went to one summer night in 2004? Gone, though it might be possible to rebuild at some point after all the debris is cleared away (which is probably going to take three whole months).
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Told Mom last night that I can't wait until Brian comes home next month so I can talk to him personally about what's possible for the short term in terms of gaining control over anything. She then asked me what it was that gave me such a stance on male-bashing double-standards in the first place, and also told me that Marie was curious as well.
During my first semester in college during the fall of 2004, my writing teacher at the time (can't remember her name) read this paragraph about the topic to us. Said paragraph described how things are in The Simpsons and The Berenstain Bears, and also the existence of jokes such as "If you're stuck and need a new tire, who would most likely give it to you: Santa Claus, Oprah Winfrey, or a decent man? Oprah, because the other two don't exist."
A year and a half later, I'm trying to think of comical situations where a male gets mad at a female, possibly involving abuse or threats, and could count such instances on one hand. That's when it hits me, that this is exactly the result of history-long oppression of women and how they tend to get back at men, and it's not even limited to that.
Not long ago, I proposed a trope called Guys Scold Girls Too, Y'know.... Somehow, I myself was able to come up with a good handful of examples, even though most of them didn't even involve abuse (comical or otherwise; several did, though). I didn't mention it on this blog, and it died out after twenty discussion posts.
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Later on, after going to bed, I called Mom over to ask her (not for the first time) to switch to a different insurance company than StateFarm, because of this commercial that I saw a few times on some video site. She told me that she doesn't care about the commercials so much as about the way the company does business, and that they've been on too good terms since 1985 to just cut them off. She also asked me rhetorically if I would really cut off good companies because of the way they advertise things, to which I said yes. She asked me if I really intend to let all this shit make me feel bad until Brian comes home, and I told her that I don't know how to deal with things while PIX11 continues to air commercials depicting only men as idiots during the morning news. On that note, I asked that she and Dad turn the TV all the way off when the commercials come on. Muting it isn't enough, because when I eat breakfast, I eat at the side of the table where I'm facing the TV, since that side is closer to the kitchen, and I also like to sit in the armchair in our living room early in the morning. To that, she suggested that maybe we could arrange our other armchair (currently right here in the computer room) so that I can just recline on that instead.
This morning, before she left for work, Mom asked me if maybe I'm feeling agitated right now from forcing myself to work on that spritesheet, which is so tedious that I tend to work on only one sprite at a time before taking nearly an hour or so to get to the next one. I told her that I've been planning to play the rest of Angry Birds Seasons once I complete the regular, non-hived sets for Kagami, Tsukasa, and Miyuki, but she suggested that I just have a break from the project right now and just have myself a vacation, so that my shitty mood doesn't ruin Marie and Grandpa's visits here for Thanksgiving.
(Thus far, I had finished Kagami's non-hived set this past Sunday, and decided to play one round of Chip-chan Kick just to unwind for the rest of the night, before starting with Tsukasa. Monday was the last day I'd be able to play anything in my room, so I spent whatever time I wasn't raking and mowing leaves for that day to play more rounds of the game before Mom set the TV input to cable. And yesterday, I managed to get six out of twenty of Tsukasa's sprites done. Normally, I would require myself to get a decent amount of stuff finished in something that requires concentration between playing any two games, like with Kanji in Context and the Mega Man series, but I suppose I could set that rule aside for once.)
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Told Mom last night that I can't wait until Brian comes home next month so I can talk to him personally about what's possible for the short term in terms of gaining control over anything. She then asked me what it was that gave me such a stance on male-bashing double-standards in the first place, and also told me that Marie was curious as well.
During my first semester in college during the fall of 2004, my writing teacher at the time (can't remember her name) read this paragraph about the topic to us. Said paragraph described how things are in The Simpsons and The Berenstain Bears, and also the existence of jokes such as "If you're stuck and need a new tire, who would most likely give it to you: Santa Claus, Oprah Winfrey, or a decent man? Oprah, because the other two don't exist."
A year and a half later, I'm trying to think of comical situations where a male gets mad at a female, possibly involving abuse or threats, and could count such instances on one hand. That's when it hits me, that this is exactly the result of history-long oppression of women and how they tend to get back at men, and it's not even limited to that.
Not long ago, I proposed a trope called Guys Scold Girls Too, Y'know.... Somehow, I myself was able to come up with a good handful of examples, even though most of them didn't even involve abuse (comical or otherwise; several did, though). I didn't mention it on this blog, and it died out after twenty discussion posts.
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Later on, after going to bed, I called Mom over to ask her (not for the first time) to switch to a different insurance company than StateFarm, because of this commercial that I saw a few times on some video site. She told me that she doesn't care about the commercials so much as about the way the company does business, and that they've been on too good terms since 1985 to just cut them off. She also asked me rhetorically if I would really cut off good companies because of the way they advertise things, to which I said yes. She asked me if I really intend to let all this shit make me feel bad until Brian comes home, and I told her that I don't know how to deal with things while PIX11 continues to air commercials depicting only men as idiots during the morning news. On that note, I asked that she and Dad turn the TV all the way off when the commercials come on. Muting it isn't enough, because when I eat breakfast, I eat at the side of the table where I'm facing the TV, since that side is closer to the kitchen, and I also like to sit in the armchair in our living room early in the morning. To that, she suggested that maybe we could arrange our other armchair (currently right here in the computer room) so that I can just recline on that instead.
This morning, before she left for work, Mom asked me if maybe I'm feeling agitated right now from forcing myself to work on that spritesheet, which is so tedious that I tend to work on only one sprite at a time before taking nearly an hour or so to get to the next one. I told her that I've been planning to play the rest of Angry Birds Seasons once I complete the regular, non-hived sets for Kagami, Tsukasa, and Miyuki, but she suggested that I just have a break from the project right now and just have myself a vacation, so that my shitty mood doesn't ruin Marie and Grandpa's visits here for Thanksgiving.
(Thus far, I had finished Kagami's non-hived set this past Sunday, and decided to play one round of Chip-chan Kick just to unwind for the rest of the night, before starting with Tsukasa. Monday was the last day I'd be able to play anything in my room, so I spent whatever time I wasn't raking and mowing leaves for that day to play more rounds of the game before Mom set the TV input to cable. And yesterday, I managed to get six out of twenty of Tsukasa's sprites done. Normally, I would require myself to get a decent amount of stuff finished in something that requires concentration between playing any two games, like with Kanji in Context and the Mega Man series, but I suppose I could set that rule aside for once.)
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:07 am (UTC)Chelle says that this kind of stuff happens mostly in commercials, cartoons, sitcoms, and harem comedies, but the way I see things, that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, even in serious stuff, I find that it's usually the female that tends to berate the male for something.
I'm pretty sure that what I actually said was that female on male abuse played as comedy was more common in sitcoms and harem comedies. I did not say "in serious stuff one-sided berating won't happen". You left out that I've pointed out that what we watch is very different, and my point regarding that was more elaborate.
Did you ever consider that the reason that this one double standard bugs you so much, while every other time you read/hear about a double standard it doesn't bother you to the point of ruining your entertainment, might just be because you happen to have a fetish for humiliating women, so it stands out to you more when men get humiliated while women don't? You don't even notice other double standards (like in Cult, with the weapons you gave to the kids).
Would have mentioned them to Chelle, but she already told me that she doesn't want to talk about it ever again.
You just mentioned them to me by putting them under an LJ cut that I thought was just gonna explain why you hate it so much, which I was curious about anyway. How does mentioning again, twice in the same entry, that I don't want to talk about it even add anything to the point you were trying to make?
Not long afterwards, I proposed a trope called Guys Scold Girls Too, Y'know.... Somehow, I myself was able to come up with a good handful of examples, even though most of them didn't even involve abuse (comical or otherwise; several did, though). I didn't mention it on this blog because of Chelle's aversion to the topic,
Stop misrepresenting me! I never said I have an aversion to the topic of guys scolding girls. How can you even claim I would have an aversion to seeing that hypothetical trope mentioned when you had me read the rewritten version of that scene where the guys scold the girl, sans the female stereotyping and illogical stuff, and I didn't complain about having to read that? Nothing in the thread you wrote there set me off either, I actually found it interesting.
What I really said is that I had an aversion to you trying to convince me fighting sexism against men with sexism against women is good. I already explained this to you repeatedly. Why won't you accept that?
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:08 am (UTC)My apologies. In that case, I will delete that paragraph altogether.
Did you ever consider that the reason that this one double standard bugs you so much, while every other time you read/hear about a double standard it doesn't bother you to the point of ruining your entertainment, might just be because you happen to have a fetish for humiliating women, so it stands out to you more when men get humiliated while women don't? You don't even notice other double standards (like in Cult, with the weapons you gave to the kids).
Both facts are true, but actually have nothing to do with each other. Somehow, though, it does tend to stand out more than when someone humiliates or hurts someone of their own sex. And, if you'd like to know, I have noticed certain other double standards, such as when a guy saves a girl instead of the other way around (around the same time as the DS this post is about), or the fact that in movies and on TV (not so much in anime), female characters almost never talk to other females about stuff other than guys (recently read some stuff elsewhere as to why that is).
As for the weapons I assigned to each of the Knights in Cult, no, I didn't notice a double-standard there. Let's recount what they were:
Mondo: sword
Katsuo: gun
Jamison: chainsaw
Kevin/Davis: gauntlets
Derek: shield
Drake: warhammer
Rokuna: staff
Anneth: bladed flag
Rachael: battle hoops
Attiya: knife
Elena: whip
Kasumi: pocket watch (Actually fights with a nightstick)
Aside from the fact that more girls than guys have blunt weapons, I don't see what the double standard is there.
You just mentioned them to me by putting them under an LJ cut that I thought was just gonna explain why you hate it so much, which I was curious about anyway. How does mentioning again, twice in the same entry, that I don't want to talk about it even add anything to the point you were trying to make?
Sorry about that. I do remember you specifying in that now-privatized entry what specifically it was that bothered you about the topic, but had forgotten what it was (besides me supposedly trying to convince you about anything), so I figured I might just play things safe and just keep everything about these double-standards cut. In short, I wrongly assumed you would be averse to that as well, although I actually had been meaning to ask you for a personal copy of that entry.
What I really said is that I had an aversion to you trying to convince me fighting sexism against men with sexism against women is good. I already explained this to you repeatedly. Why won't you accept that?
Just to clear something up, I never actually meant to impose my view onto you, only to state what it was. Also, I don't mean to be sexist per se. You say that all abuse should be done away with, and I respect that point. (Not gonna explain why I'd disagree with that depending on a given show's standards, although I would definitely draw the line at all forms of rape.) In particular, it's when, between the two sexes, only girls can get mad at guys or reject them as boyfriends, because that's just a basic fact of life to which gender is irrelevant. Individual instances of that aren't sexist, nor would be any individual instances of the roles reversed; it's the big picture the way it is that's sexist. But, you already said that part of things isn't what bothers you.
Hope that settles everything.
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:10 am (UTC)Those other ones are not something that seems to ruin your entertainment though, nor something that you obsess over.
Regarding the weapons, it's in the visual of what you based the weapons on :
Mondo: item specifically made for combat situation
Katsuo: item specifically made for combat situation
Jamison: foresting item
Kevin/Davis: item specifically made for combat situation
Derek: item specifically made for combat situation
Drake: item specifically made for combat situation
Rokuna: multipurpose item most commonly seen on farm
Anneth: communication item
Rachael: art item
Attiya: multipurpose item most commonly seen in kitchen
Elena: farm item (or in ancient times, torture item)
Kasumi: time tool + art item
All guys have big items from with work that's considered really masculine and strong (soldiers and woodworkers). All girls have slender items more commonly associated with docile professions.
Attiya's knife is really small with a mere 5 inch blade, nothing for a battlefield with monsters. Kasumi needs a substitute cause her item can't be used for combat, and so uses a ribbon stick. Anneth doesn't have a legitimately badass polearm, instead she has a glorified flag (despite how much a hindrance that piece of cloth would be) with the blade concealed (what, would she hurt herself if it wasn't?). It makes the girls look weak compared to the guys, as if they can't handle the tough stuff.
In short, I wrongly assumed you would be averse to that as well, although I actually had been meaning to ask you for a personal copy of that entry.
Oh, okay. I'll look up that entry later, and I think at some point I'm going to just write one big entry on all sorts of unfortunate implications and stereotypes in fiction, will probably help me order my thoughts.
You say that all abuse should be done away with, and I respect that point.
I'm really sure I never said that.
I want all misrepresenting fiction about abuse to be done away with. Things like in Seimaden and Love Monster, which in all seriousness present the abuse as if it's acceptable and romantic.
I also want that if there must be cartoon physics, it's equally distributed amongst not just gender, but also all ages, races and everything else.
I don't want all depictions of abuse to be gone at all. Movies and books that seriously deal with abuse are good, because they make people aware of problems they'd otherwise ignore.
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:11 am (UTC)Attiya's knife is really small with a mere 5 inch blade, nothing for a battlefield with monsters. Kasumi needs a substitute cause her item can't be used for combat, and so uses a ribbon stick. Anneth doesn't have a legitimately badass polearm, instead she has a glorified flag (despite how much a hindrance that piece of cloth would be) with the blade concealed (what, would she hurt herself if it wasn't?). It makes the girls look weak compared to the guys, as if they can't handle the tough stuff.
In all, I see what you mean. I suppose Attiya's weapon could be a full foot long. Just not nearly so long as a sword, is all. Kasumi, actually, wields a nightstick (notice no "k"), the kind that police officers wield at close quarters. And, with Anneth's weapon, that's a good point; to conceal the blade would be redundant, although the cloth part, being part of an enchanted weapon, would be used to create wind (as well as representing it as the weapon of Wind).
I also want that if there must be cartoon physics, it's equally distributed amongst not just gender, but also all ages, races and everything else.
Exactly my point the whole time. Excel Saga passes with that (if I recall correctly), but Magical Witch Punie-chan had better have some male-on-female action if I am ever to give that show a second chance.
That was worded poorly, sorry. I was talking about why I had to repeatedly explain what I meant (that thing you say you forgot the explanation of), it wasn't a comment about your overall attitude.
Hoping that part's resolved already, although I did remember after my first reply that you mentioned in a certain past email that you want no more situations where I get riled up about injustice in fiction. My MWP-chan rant was the first situation afterwards that I initially assumed was exactly that. So, yeah, there is that reason.
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:11 am (UTC)About the ribbon flag, couldn't it be something like the Sunlight Heart from Buso Renkin where it's a big lance with a long trailing 'scarf' of sorts?
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-07-16 10:13 am (UTC)How about giving Attiya one dagger in each hand? That way it won't resemble Mondo's weapon style too much.
Exactly my point the whole time.
I know; my point was sometimes the way you try to create that equality in your stories doesn't work.
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:13 am (UTC)And yes, I see your second point now.
By the way, when you told me about writing about inbox-bombing "next" 21st, I thought you meant the 21st of next month, not this 21st that was coming up. I mean, true, that issue was pretty urgent, but now I don't see what the Cult prologue had to do with it, since you asked me to upload that to DeviantArt for reasons relating to that.
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:14 am (UTC)No, I said I was remembered of that because I was thinking about submission limits to the group, not that it directly related.
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Date: 2019-11-19 03:03 pm (UTC)Well, since you have asked at all, I'll still upload it there anyway, after you finish up what I've asked for.
Also, thanks for showing me that sketch of Attiya with the daggers. If you'd like my opinion, I think it might be even better if the Knights as a group were depicted diagonally while poised for battle like that. Kinda like this:
http://www.btchflcks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/123.jpg
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Date: 2019-11-19 03:04 pm (UTC)Okay, I'm assuming you mean for that reserved commission?
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Date: 2019-11-19 03:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-07-16 10:18 am (UTC)Somehow, I just remembered now that whole thing with Katsuo, which I've since toned way down and now plan to play as something that still needs to be resolved, rather than as something he should just get away with. The fact that that had changed from what it was originally going to be should say something, no?
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Date: 2019-07-16 10:19 am (UTC)That was worded poorly, sorry. I was talking about why I had to repeatedly explain what I meant (that thing you say you forgot the explanation of), it wasn't a comment about your overall attitude.